TSN & WIFEY: On set at the WIFEY studio with Jessi & Matt

TSN & WIFEY: On set at the WIFEY studio with Jessi & Matt | Episode 231

In this episode of The Swing Nation Podcast, the top-rated podcast about non-monogamy and swinging, Dan and Lacy travel to Los Angeles, California to visit the studio of WIFEY — a luxurious adult content platform where real hot wife couples get to live out their fantasies on a Hollywood-style set.

They sit down with Jessi and Matt, one of the original WIFEY couples, to talk all things WIFEY and what makes the platform different from traditional adult content. From real couples to cinematic production, they break down why WIFEY has become such a standout name in the lifestyle space.

Dan and Lacy also dive into Lacy’s upcoming WIFEY scene dropping on Valentine’s Day, where she stars in one of her boldest experiences yet. They talk about the concept, the energy, what made it so memorable, and how it fits into the hot wife dynamic.

A big part of the conversation centers around what the hot wife lifestyle really is — not just sex, but trust, communication, confidence, and shared fantasy. Jessi and Matt explain how couples use it to explore desire, strengthen connection, and challenge traditional ideas of jealousy and ownership.

The episode also pulls back the curtain on what shooting for WIFEY is like behind the scenes and how these experiences blend fantasy, content creation, and real-life intimacy.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

This podcast is intended for adult audiences. Over the age of eighteen, it contains adult language and situations. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast along as all it does. And not of any employer, organization, committee, uh, or other group or individuals or whatever. But this podcast is not intended to be taken as professional advice.

SPEAKER_04 0:19

Welcome to the Swing Nation Podcast, a podcast by swingers for swingers, where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle. Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe or interview the extra first. Learn and grow together. Join the nation. So Lacey, what is the definition of a hot wife?

SPEAKER_07 0:42

So hot wives play with the consent of their husbands, so they engage with other men. Sometimes the husband is there, sometimes he's at home. But yeah, that's what a hot wife is.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Yeah, it's to the pleasure of both of them.

SPEAKER_07 0:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:02

It's natural to find other people attractive.

SPEAKER_05 1:05

Jealousy is part of the ride. We knew we wanted to get married as soon as we met each other.

SPEAKER_09 1:09

The whole hot life thing just became naturally. I fucking love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:19

Are you ready to share the real Hot Life experience with the world?

SPEAKER_04 1:23

Nothing's ever been reduced. Um, it's only been enhanced from when we started lifestyle.

SPEAKER_06 1:29

Only got that coast. You know, it was exciting because it was something new. It was exciting because there was that kind of like uncertainty about it. It was this like turning point, right? It was magic. Finally, we decided to go for it and speechless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

Five stars would recommend. For me, the Holly thing thing was definitely like the exhibitionist side.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Details. More details. Give me more details. Watching her is a matter for me. Like what? And I thought she said I love you for the first time. We had a three-sign right after.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

The most surprising thing about all of this was how much I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

Everything on the video is bottom to not like that is how she is.

SPEAKER_12 2:29

Oh my god, guys. I can't believe what just happened. This is a great point. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_06 2:38

I want to put a wife. Are you ready to level up your wifey experience? I've never really been allowed to be myself. And so, um, to have somebody that you can be yourself with, it's worth everything.

SPEAKER_09 2:58

I recommend it.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Hey, I'm Sam, and this is Alex, and you're watching wifey.com.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation Podcast. We are your host, Northern Guy and Southern Girl. And we're here in the wifey studio in Los Angeles, California.

SPEAKER_07 3:24

Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_04 3:25

I know. And we're filming a very special episode to talk all things wifey.

SPEAKER_07 3:29

So what is wifey?

SPEAKER_04 3:30

Well, it's pretty cool. It's actually like a luxurious um adult content platform where they take real hot wife couples and put them into this like Hollywood scene.

SPEAKER_07 3:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Um, and let them live out their fantasies.

SPEAKER_07 3:42

Yeah, I got to do one just yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

Uh well, you got to do four yesterday for being um technical. But yes, you you filmed your scene yesterday. Well, we have uh a special couple here, Jesse and Matt, some of the original OG wifey couples, to talk to us about that. So welcome to the podcast. Although I feel like we're in your house a little bit. I feel like we're the tourists and we're we're in your house.

SPEAKER_09 4:07

No, it's our house now. It's our house, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

And they're here to talk to us about all things wifey. We're gonna talk about our scene, talk about their scene and their experience. Um, so guys, tell us a little bit about wifey and what what it means to you.

SPEAKER_09 4:19

Well, for us, being part of Wifey was a great experience. We got to be part of a platform, a community, and tell our story and share what it means to be in this lifestyle and help people understand that this kink isn't so taboo.

SPEAKER_12 4:36

Yeah, a lot of people actually do this.

SPEAKER_09 4:38

And it's pretty fun, pretty normal.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

So, how how long um have you guys been in the lifestyle? Like, how did you how did you find it?

unknown 4:45

Oh man.

SPEAKER_09 4:46

How long have we been in the lifestyle? Almost nine or ten years, I think. I'd say ten years.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

So it's been like eight for us, so it's kind of some.

SPEAKER_09 4:54

How long have you been married? Ten well no married. We've been married for five, and we've been together for what eleven, twelve?

SPEAKER_07 5:05

So you started this lifestyle pretty soon after you met each other, basically.

SPEAKER_10 5:10

Basically, we started because we were uh a long distance relationship.

SPEAKER_07 5:14

Yeah, we can relate to that. We we actually were married and still long distance, and it it it was fun because we would meet and have this hot fun, and then so and then we would separate, and sometimes that would be kind of hard because all of our friends were going home together and we had to go separate, but we finally we made it through it, and now we're in one house, and it's it's wonderful. That's awesome. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 5:39

Yeah, so how did you find out about wifey? How did that whole thing start?

SPEAKER_09 5:43

Um, well, they reached out to us on Twitter, I think it was. And they told us about this really cool site that they were making, and I was like, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_09 5:53

Yeah, we talked about it, and we were like, why not?

SPEAKER_04 5:56

So were you guys already in content creation? You guys were on social media? Yeah. What made you start start that journey?

SPEAKER_09 6:02

Um, I think the idea of joining a community at the very beginning and kind of building this platform with them from the ground up was something we were really interested in doing. So I like it. I think more people should hear and understand that like it's not weird to be non-monogamous. Yeah. And there's so many different ways to be non-monogamous that this site it puts all of those different ways into a bigger perspective, and I love that.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

Yeah, so when me and Late, they reached out to us, same thing on social media, and kind of when we first heard, like, oh, it's like pro adult content, you know, we were a little like hesitant, like, I don't know if that's really somewhere we want to go with our brand and stuff like that. Um, and then they actually sent the smartest thing they ever did was they sent Lacey a free subscription to their site and let her watch it.

SPEAKER_07 6:54

I I told him I was like that was the smartest thing you ever did because I would watch like one every night, which he ended up getting laid a bunch because I was like really turned on. But it really is very educational. I think for anybody that's thinking about joining the lifestyle or just kind of wanted to see a little bit behind the scenes. This is the perfect avenue for them because you get to see real couples, and they're these are real experiences. And so after about like five or six episodes of watching it, I was like, Okay, I think I'm sold, let's do it. And so it was yesterday was our scene, and it was a lot of fun. I had a good time. That's so awesome. Yeah, everybody here is so sweet and they make you feel so comfortable, and I'm excited for everyone to see what we did.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

So I think you guys should share a note. So tell us a little bit about what your scene was and how that came to be.

SPEAKER_09 7:42

We had a scene with Jason Love. Oh, yeah. And uh it was fun, it was really fun.

SPEAKER_10 7:47

Yeah, we I think that was a perfect person for you.

SPEAKER_09 7:50

Uh yeah, honestly. Yeah, it was great, but it was just it was fun, it was easy. Like you got here, you got your hair and makeup done, they made you feel really nice, comfortable, pretty, and then you just sit there comfortably with your partner and you guys talk about yourselves, and then you're like, Alright, I'm ready. Let's go. I'm Jesse, and this is my husband Matt.

SPEAKER_11 8:10

I feel like hot wiping has made me a lot more competitive. If I see my wife getting fucked really good afterwards, I'm gonna fuck her way better. I feel like you've had a lot of wild ones, but one that comes to mind is you're sucking some guy's dick in the back of an Uber.

SPEAKER_08 8:25

I have a really good Uber rating. It's natural to find other people attractive. Why don't we explore having sex with other people and telling each other about it?

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Lacey had her scene yesterday and she she actually had four um four guys. Guys. For the very first one.

SPEAKER_07 8:48

For her first pro shoot was was well well, it started because they when we they reached out to us, is there they were like, is there any fantasies that you've never been able to do that you want to do? Something that's like truly authentic to you. Yeah. And I had this fantasy of being blindfolded and Dan picking out the guys, and me being with the guys and having no idea who they were, but giving him the control, the freedom, because I knew he would choose the right guys for me. And so that had always been a fan, but we had never found a way to make that happen. And so Wifey was like, We got you. And so they they worked with him, and they together they kind of came up, and I had no idea how many guys it was gonna be. So I I I think she didn't know how many or who they were. Who they were.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

And so when we got here, they actually kept the guys in the back of the studio separate from us when we ate lunch and all that stuff. So she didn't actually see the guys until about halfway through her scene.

SPEAKER_07 9:44

Yeah, well, and they blindfolded me and then they had like all the guys around me, and we were doing pictures, and I could like feel their hard bodies behind me, and I'm their hard bodies?

SPEAKER_04 9:53

That's not what you told me.

SPEAKER_07 9:56

She's using PG words, yeah. But I was like, I was so nervous up until that point. I was like, okay, I'm ready. But then once we started the scene, it was like how many guys I was like trying to guess, and also And where are their digs? It also made me look stupid trying to like find the digs. Um, but I was able to, it was it ended up being like really, really good, and I had a great time. So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_09 10:21

Yeah, I think that's one of the best parts about this is like you can live out your fantasy in a really safe way.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

It's like living out your fantasy, but on a Hollywood scene set, even like in ways you'd never be able to do it yourself.

SPEAKER_09 10:32

It's gonna be safe, you know, it's gonna be comfortable, you know they're gonna be hot.

SPEAKER_04 10:35

It makes it a lot easier, honestly.

SPEAKER_07 10:36

Oh, for sure. Yeah, and you've got somebody checking your hair, your nails. I mean, they check everything, they make sure you feel so comfortable and so beautiful, and it was so much fun. I can't I can't imagine going back to like regular. I only want to fuck porn stuff done with corners. No, no, no. Don't don't don't even know. Um, it was so much fun. Yeah, it really is. Hi, I'm Lacey, and this is my husband Dan.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

We've always been very open to each other about what we want to do and things we want to try, and we've even kind of unemployed each other a little bit to try new things. A former pastor who's been a pastor of a church for 16 years, and he actually said that in a lot of ways he felt like people in a lifestyle was a lot of things that he thought that the church was supposed to be for the community around the lifestyle.

SPEAKER_07 11:32

If you want a wifey experience of your own, visit wifey.com forward slash casting.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

So is your guys in your in your real life is do you guys hot wife normally? Is that part of your your day-to-day?

SPEAKER_09 11:57

We used to a lot, but now I feel like we've fallen out of the lifestyle a little bit, only because it's your career now, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:05

You're doing a lot of professional.

SPEAKER_09 12:06

Like you need to for us we have to separate it, and it's hard to meet people who are only in the lifestyle. And so when it's for work, we want to keep it work, and if it turns into fun, like we still want to have fun, but it's hard not to overlap nowadays. Yeah, so we can really relate to that. So walk us through that.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

So you guys did your scene with wifey, and then Vixen Media Group, who's who's over wifey, asked you guys to come back and shoot more with them.

SPEAKER_09 12:33

Yeah, yeah. So I signed in an exclusive with them, and now I'm shooting for a bunch of their sites, and um it's really fun. I love it. Yeah, um, originally we only were content creators, we didn't do any pro stuff. So this was kind of my breakthrough into pro. And I love it. They're a great company to work with, and like their stuff is beautiful. I like to watch it. So that's why I chose to come with them.

SPEAKER_07 12:57

It's like classy, yeah. You know, it it's like it goes against anything you've ever heard of, like in the adult industry type situation. It's very artsy, very, very artsy.

SPEAKER_09 13:06

I like how that's artsy, and then the wifey side is more like these are real life fantasies, so it it just hits all the right boxes.

SPEAKER_07 13:14

And I think for women, for me, it's like more comfortable to watch. It doesn't seem like sleazy. Like for lack of a better word, it comes across like very well done. And so there's like perfect date night. Put on your wifey episode, have some wine, yeah, and with a little sex.

SPEAKER_04 13:34

Well, we j, you know, when we talk about wifey on our podcast, you know, we always say, you know, in the previously we've said, well, our only fans content is kind of part of the education, right? You can you can listen to our podcast and you can hear us talk about swinging and all that stuff, but some people just want to see it, right? They want to see like how does it work and who touches who, and how do you know who goes next, and all you know, kind of all this stuff. Yeah. And so we always jump, well, well, watch our OnlyFans, like you'll you'll see that stuff. Um, but wifey's the perfect because it's it's the documentary, so you get everybody's backstory, you kind of get how they got into the lifestyle, um, and then you get to see what their fantasies are in real life, and it's it's pretty it's pretty cool. So what you were one of the first girls to film with wifey, right?

SPEAKER_09 14:13

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

And then uh so it's probably been interesting for you now that to see the girls come along.

SPEAKER_09 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Uh and it really seems like it's it's kind of a family. Like everybody gets the bracelet. I do have your bracelet season.

SPEAKER_07 14:23

I do have mine on, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Uh and then I've seen a lot of the girls hanging out at the different events and stuff like that. So have you got to know some of the other wifey girls?

SPEAKER_09 14:31

Yeah, I like it. I like that it not only creates a community, but it builds your own community within.

SPEAKER_10 14:37

I think it's getting a lot bigger.

SPEAKER_09 14:39

I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised. I was like, how many people are gonna come on here and like share this part of their life? But a lot.

SPEAKER_07 14:46

Yeah, and they and they want real couples. So, like, if a couple is listening to this and they're like, I want to do that. You don't have to be a content creator, you don't have to be in this space, you just have to be willing to share your story, which is really cool. It gives an opportunity for couples that are just in this for lots of different reasons.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

Yeah, so were you guys public prior to wifey? Were you out on social media and things like that? Yeah, have you received pushback from all that? What's it been like?

SPEAKER_09 15:13

Um, I think the only pushback we've received is just me going into pro in general. Yeah, so not necessarily on the wifey site, but yeah, joining afterwards because then it's like you're not a real hot wife.

SPEAKER_07 15:25

Yeah, but that's kind of how we are, you're not a real swinger, we get that just already. So knowing us going into this, we are gonna receive some of that, and we kind of knew that going in. And it's part of it.

SPEAKER_09 15:38

I mean, yeah, you're never gonna make everyone happy.

SPEAKER_07 15:40

You're not. I mean, I was treated like a queen here. So if this is what if this is what that's like, then okay, I'll take it. You don't call me what you want. I mean, this has been such a nice experience. I can't imagine doing it any other way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:54

Do you think this content, like it going out and it's you know, it's getting a lot of attention, there's a lot of viral videos now on social media and stuff. Um, do you think it'll help normalize non-monogamy? Do you think more people might be interested in it from seeing this type of content?

SPEAKER_09 16:06

I think so. I think it's already becoming a little bit more normalized because a lot of people want to be non-monogamous, but there's the idea that you have to be, and that's the way it's supposed to be. Um so seeing a bunch of real life couples come out, and again, they all have different types of stories, different types of kinks. They're like, huh. I'm not weird, I'm not wrong. Like I think it's gonna help for sure. And that's why we were like, absolutely, yeah, let's be part of this.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

It's definitely gonna help a lot of people open up.

SPEAKER_09 16:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

So when did you guys go public like on social media and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_09 16:43

Um, so we stopped being faceless creators in 2020, but we were faceless, no name from 2016 to 2020. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

Yeah. So we joined TikTok and social media and started talking about swinging in 2020. And it's nice. Even then, like when we first started making TikTok videos, I think there was maybe two or three other people on TikTok talking about non monogamy and swinging and things like that. Yeah. And now it you know, we get on TikTok and it's like every day. You see a new face.

SPEAKER_07 17:11

And I'm like so proud of those people. I'm like, yes, do it. Because like it was scary for us when we first started, there wasn't a whole lot of people out there that were just saying, Hey, we're swingers, look at us. And now so many people do it. And I'm like, yes, do it.

SPEAKER_04 17:24

You're starting to see it even like on TV shows where they you know drop little pineapples and hints and joke about it and stuff. So I really feel like it's starting to become more and more normalized. And I do think platforms like wifey that are getting it out there to more people and and showing, like you're saying, like a that, hey, like this sounds taboo, it sounds weird, but here, look at these couples. They're normal couples who love each other, who are clearly in love, um, and look at the experiences that they're having. I want to do that, I want to try that. I think it's hard to watch some of these episodes and not part of your brain, not be like, hmm, I also kind of want to try that.

SPEAKER_07 17:57

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, I think if you just like Google like Hot Wife or Google any kind of like lifestyle or swinger um content, like just you're gonna find it all over the world. This is like the best of the best. So I think if this is something that you're interested in, definitely check out a few of the episodes because they're they're pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_09 18:17

Yeah, I like the story side of it. I do too. Yeah, you don't even honestly watch this. I didn't even watch the show.

SPEAKER_07 18:23

You know, like I just and what I love is they're usually an hour long, and like 40 minutes is like the the them talking, yeah. Her you know, her getting ready. There's a like a very small part of it is the sex, and so I just I think it's very well done.

SPEAKER_09 18:38

Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_10 18:40

Yeah, the stories are great. I love hearing like how they got into it.

SPEAKER_07 18:43

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Well, and there's so many different, you know, it's a lot of hot wife couples, but even within like we're primarily a full swap couple, and uh really this is probably our biggest hot wife experience.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Oh, for sure, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Uh and so it's interesting to see everybody's story and kind of you know the different backgrounds and where they come from and what they're into, and then see them have an experience here.

SPEAKER_09 19:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Have you guys done other stuff in in the world?

SPEAKER_09 19:06

So we're primarily also full swap, and then I'll go and I'll hot wife sometimes. I just think it's fun. Yeah, like yeah, I like seeing him with other people, he likes seeing me with other people. Like it's just fun.

SPEAKER_07 19:18

I think people that are starting in the lifestyle, the idea of hot wifing is kind of like an easy or like bringing in a female, or so then like bring bringing one person in seems a lot easier and almost like a little bit more accepted, like mainstream, than like fully swapping with another couple. So a lot of couples start here and then kind of work to more of a full swap couple. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Seems like a lot of couples want to start with single girls, and then they realize how hard that is to find out. It's so much hard. It's so much harder to find plenty of single males, and then you go to couples, and then they realize how hard it is to find like a four-way connection between couple of hard getting difficult.

SPEAKER_07 19:55

So difficult. I'm the unicorn of the lifestyle, really. Seriously connection.

SPEAKER_09 20:00

Yeah, I think it's easier to go find a single dude and a single girl and be like, hey guys, let's go bang in the same room. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

That's a lot of couples that we know that do hot wifing, and they're like, I don't, it's just so hard for us to find that four-way connection. Yeah, and you know, there's not a lot of guys that I'm super attracted to within our friend group or something like that. So they're like, I'll go find some single guy that'll you know give me a good experience. And they kind of go that route.

SPEAKER_09 20:23

Yeah. I'm gonna I only need to find them attractive, and then I think women are beautiful, so it's pretty easy for him to find somebody that I dance.

SPEAKER_07 20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

But usually most of the swinger parties and events we go to, I'm like, but there's a fair chance about 80% of the women in this room I'd probably have sex with. That's been true most of the time.

SPEAKER_07 20:46

It's easy to please. Me, not not the same. That is so funny. Not the same. I'm like 20%. I'm picky. Sometimes I wish he was more picky. But I but I also love that he loves like all different types of women, you know, it's not just like a stereotypical, like, beautiful woman. I love that he embraces all different body types and different personalities. And so you really are a good guy for that.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Well, you gotta, I mean, if you're gonna do this, why not experience the full gambit of what you're doing? For sure.

SPEAKER_07 21:19

We talk about that a lot. Like, people ask us, they even ask us yesterday in our interview. They were like, What is your type? Like, well, the cool thing about the lifestyle is we're not trying to find a life partner here, we're not trying to find someone to take home to our parents, like, this is my guy. This is just somebody that's gonna give me an awesome experience. And I feel like the more we've leaned into that, we've had better experiences because somebody that you traditionally might look at and be like, I don't know, they might actually give you like the best fucking time ever, you know? And so we've kind of leaned into that probably in the last year or so, and I think our experiences have gotten much better for us.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

Yeah, I think it's we've stopped being so superficial about it and been more about like. Like if they have good energy, if they have a good thing. If they can laugh and joke with you and have a real conversation, but that's all you really need then to have the chemistry to take it to the next level. Terrible humans are terrible. Just laying there doing nothing.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

So it's uh sometimes some of those other people surprise you.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:26

So I think the next thing I I wanted to ask you guys about, and I think something that a lot of couples don't really understand is do you think since opening your your relationship up that it's that it's helped your marriage, that it's affected that?

SPEAKER_12 22:36

And in what ways I think trust. Yeah. You know, once you see someone with someone else, uh the you just gain so much trust. Like you don't think that they're gonna go out and cheat on you. Should just talk to you about it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 22:49

Yeah, I think it builds the communication a lot. So literally anything that we can talk about, yeah and just know that we're not gonna judge each other. Yeah, and it's helped in uh scenarios that don't involve sex, but yeah, just your everyday life, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 23:06

I know I tell people all the time, I'm like, I I've never been in any kind of relationship where I could just look at him and say basically anything and know that I'm gonna be loved and accepted, and that is such a freeing feeling. And I didn't even know that it existed until joining the lifestyle with him and and being a part of this.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Yeah, and it's you know, we get questions on our podcast all the time about jealousy and insecurity and and all these other things. And it's funny, the answer to all those problems is always communication, and like you said, this lifestyle it forces you to have those those hard conversations, and when you've had the hard conversations about um having sex with other people, when you've had the hard conversations about insecurities that you may have, having conversations about money or you know, some of the other things is so becomes so much more natural, right?

SPEAKER_09 23:54

Yeah, and there's let's not get it wrong, there's definitely been times in everyone's relationship where like you don't like something or you find out that you thought you liked it, but you don't. And going through that and working through it, it's yeah, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 24:09

A lot of times if I just say it out loud, that fixes whatever however I'm feeling. Like he could touch somebody and I could be like, Oh, that was very sensual. But me saying, Oh, I when you did that, I was like, Oh, I don't know how it felt. But like and him acknowledging my feelings, and then me, that's all I need. It's not a big fight, it's not a major major ordeal in our relationship. It's just being able to look at him and say those words makes me feel better.

SPEAKER_09 24:36

I like what you said about acknowledging how you feel because communication is easy, but when you're not being when you're not having it reciprocated, I think it is something that a lot of people miss. They have to be heard, accepted, acknowledged. And it, yeah, with that you have the recipe for the best relationship. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

Yeah, and I think it it's so funny, and I don't know how it is for you guys, but some of the things that trigger the jealousy is not what you think it would be, right? So like her getting, you know, having sex with you know four guys, it's not the things that make you jealous. It's like somebody, like I brushed somebody's hair out of their face one time in the middle of an orgy, and it like triggered her like that. She had no problem with me dicking them down, no mother would be sucking them, I can doggy style, suck my dick, I could come in their mouth, no problem. But brushing the hair out of their face, that was too intimate for her.

SPEAKER_07 25:26

There was one time where he was like making out with this girl, and I was like, We got I didn't say at the time, but later I was like, You were really making out with her, like for real, for real. He was like, hold on. He like pulled up his phone, he was like Because we're content created.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

Back to like one of the previous videos we had done, and I was like, Did it look like this? And she's like, I was like, Oh, you're right. And I'm like, Are you in love with him and want to run away with him? She's like, nah, that was just fun. Oh my god. I mean I thought to say, But it literally like made it click in her head, like, okay.

SPEAKER_07 25:53

I was like, okay, you're right, absolutely right. But he's right. I can see him do all the dirty things to a girl, but him be sweet and like temperature like that. I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that.

SPEAKER_09 26:04

That's yeah, that's for me. Yeah, I don't mind the sensual stuff because that's part of the fun part with sex, but like the after sex stuff. I'm like, all right, that's gotta be yeah, it's like no cuddling end, but like no cuddling. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. But I think at least for me. For me, sometimes getting a little jealous makes the sex. Oh yeah, yeah, we talk about that. A little jealousy's okay.

SPEAKER_07 26:28

Yeah, a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 26:29

Well, sometimes it's like some of the things I know will make her a little bit jealous. I'll kind of like, hey, did you see this lady?

SPEAKER_09 26:35

You better not ever do that.

SPEAKER_07 26:36

Yeah, but I kind of like like it, I can tell when he when he's doing it because he'll be like smiling, and I'm like, we want to fuck him better.

SPEAKER_09 26:43

Yeah, yeah, and I think that's a huge part of it for us sometimes, is like after we're with somebody else, we want to fuck each other better than that person.

SPEAKER_10 26:52

Yeah, I go I try to go harder and like we talk about it.

SPEAKER_07 26:56

We talk about a lot, like leading up to it, and then like when we get home, like if we're going to hang out with a bunch of friends or whatever, we'll be like, You want to see me be our dirty little whore this weekend? And he's like, Oh yeah, you know, and so we'll like talk about it, and then when we get home, we'll talk about it once we're at home. Like, did you see me do this thing? And it just like for me, it's like foreplay, it makes our sex life better. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

So I think for a lot of hot wife couples, like that is the reason for being a hot wife couple is because they like the reclamation sex, and it elevates it to such a point. Um, Lacey didn't give me that opportunity last night. What do you mean yesterday last night?

SPEAKER_07 27:32

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 27:32

She had sex with four dudes. We got back to the hotel room, she went to bed.

SPEAKER_07 27:37

No, it was a long day.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

Or the DoorDash, had her hot cheeseburger, had her steak and shake.

SPEAKER_09 27:43

And this was it. Okay, I've got you to that bitch. I got you to that one of the things. Did you get morning sex a dog? No. We still haven't had sex.

SPEAKER_07 27:52

No, the best part is like right after. Swollen and ready to get a free and that is his wife's done, like he like pounces, like he's like, move out of my way. We're not quite that bad, but we I definitely owe it to you, babe. I promise. I promise. But it was a busy day. That was a long day.

SPEAKER_04 28:12

It was a long day. You did put in a lot of work.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

A lot of giant things like they were big, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

Okay, so when you guys have the reclamation sex, do you feel like that connects you on a different level? Or do you think is there is it emotional?

SPEAKER_09 28:29

I think it's important for sure. I think for us, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, it's a way for us to like fight for each other back. That's a good one. And then it's like it gets sensual. It's not only like really hot, intense sex, it's also sensual, and you're like, wow, I really love you. Oh, I prefer you. Yeah, it makes it stronger, like our connection a lot stronger.

SPEAKER_07 28:55

I think a lot of people what you said prefer you. I think people we get like they ask questions about like, what if you find somebody you like better? Or what if, you know, but there's all these what ifs. And I think what you said there is important because we always prefer our husband. He has like home court advantage, kind of. Like he knows all the right buttons, all the places to touch us. And I think people that's something that people don't quite realize that our husbands like know all the things to do. You know everything. Yeah, you know it all. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:26

It's the same for the wives, you know what I mean? Like, well, you know, Lacey's right, we get this all the time. What if somebody fucks you and and all it's like like you're gonna fall in love with them and want to run away with them out of having sex with them one time? Like, yeah, well, if that happens, you probably ought to go with them, like they deserve you at that point. If somebody fucks you that good where it changes your life, but it's it's probably never gonna happen because like Lacey can if I can't come, Lacey can say five sentences and and I'll come like that. Nobody else can do you know what I mean, like same thing. Same, right? Like and it's nobody else knows that, nobody else can do that. I think that sex with different people is great and wonderful, and we we really enjoy it. Yeah, um, but there is something that you know your partner intimately in a way that nobody else would without putting years of effort and time into that relationship.

SPEAKER_09 30:12

Yeah, I think having fun is important and you get to like scratch and itch, but reclamation sex, it just builds on your own relationship for sure. So I think it's important to do, but it's definitely important to do, you know that's important to do.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

It is.

SPEAKER_07 30:28

I and I just I don't think people realize that how important that piece is, especially in a hot way of couples when the wife has went and played with either without the husband or him watching it, it kind of like just breaks it's like the end of the yeah, you know, it kind of like puts a cap on everything, it kind of sums it all up.

SPEAKER_09 30:46

I agree, and it doesn't need to be full penetration for you to have the reclamation sex, you can have like the foreplay, you can have the soft sensual touching, the talking, the kissing, the oral, like anything just to bring you guys back together.

SPEAKER_07 31:02

Yeah, I think it makes going and hot wifing and going and enjoying others makes what's at home feel so much special. Like it's so special, and uh it it puts an emphasis on that.

SPEAKER_09 31:17

I agree.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

So um, some stigma. So I think non-monogamy, swinging, hot wifing, all these things are still very, very stigmatized. Um, it's really something that me and Lacey are really feel passionately about. Um, we have friends that are still losing their jobs. Um, we have friends that are in custody battles over children with ex-spouses because of non-monogamy. Um so what are some things you'd you'd like to see come from this platform and your platform for others to learn about non-monogamy?

SPEAKER_09 31:45

Well, I think that people need to learn to separate the fact that EM is not cheating, it's not adultery. And adultery is what is grounds for divorce, you know, or legality with custody cases, like adultery is where you can get in trouble, but it's not. You guys are both consenting to this. So I I hope that especially with wifey and like showing so many uh couples that do it, I hope it normalizes it because we're not doing it out of spite and we're not doing anything wrong. Like we're both two adults consenting with other consenting adults, yeah. I don't know. I I'm very also passionate on this, and the adult industry in general, I think, just needs to be destigmatized. Yeah, we're not doing anything wrong, yeah. We're just having fun. We're doing what everyone is doing behind closed doors.

SPEAKER_07 32:44

Yeah, for sure. Do you think this like younger generation that's coming up is helping like destigmatize it? Because they seem so much more open and free, and not so many labels, and just kind of you know, non-monogamy for them seems very common.

SPEAKER_09 33:02

Do you think they're either helping it a little bit? I definitely think people in their 20s are out there just like living life and not caring what other people do with their lives. So, yeah, I do think that it's gonna change. But I don't know because it's generational, yeah. It's just driven into some people. So we have a lot of work to do. But I think with podcasts like yours, sites like wifey, and couples like us who are like, hey, yeah, it's okay to do this, we're gonna be the stepping stone for the people after us to be like, hey, they yeah, they put the cement, the foundation, yeah, like they did it for us, now let's keep going. So eventually.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

It is crazy to me that in 2025 where we're we've we've learned so much and we've come so far in being you know open and accepting of you know different different genders and and different sexuality types that for some reason non-monogamy still has this stigma.

SPEAKER_07 34:05

It just strikes a cur a nerve with some people, and I think it's the cheating. I think that people just cannot get past that it's not cheating. That's the idea.

SPEAKER_09 34:13

Yeah, but I mean, cheating is so common. Like, think of how many people get divorced because they're sleeping with somebody else, or like they have these kinks about cheating, or like it's just so common that it's crazy to me that those same people would look at us and be like, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_07 34:29

It's much more socially acceptable to have cheated than to be non-monogamous, which is absolutely crazy. It's so bonkers.

SPEAKER_09 34:36

I don't understand that at all. But I think we're I think we're doing the groundwork. Yeah, we're definitely changing life for everyone after us.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Yeah, that's that's the the the hope. So if you had to give advice to some couples that were thinking about um, you know, either hot wifing or or you know to trying non-monogamy, what what would be some advice that you give somebody that maybe uh has seen your platform, seen you on wifey and is- I feel like just go for it. Go for it. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_10 35:05

If you don't like it, you just stop.

SPEAKER_09 35:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing wrong with it. I mean, I think the hardest part for people, and maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, but I think the hardest part for people is the judgment that they might feel from their closest family and friends. And that won't matter as long as you have a partner there to support you through these things. So nobody else matters. Just remember that only you and your partner should care. I don't know. I think it's so sad though, like the custody battle and losing jobs. How can that happen? I think it's it's a coin you gotta toss. Yeah, you know, be happy.

SPEAKER_07 35:45

I think a lot of people who are public end up being content creators because we don't have to worry about like what our job would think, or we don't have to worry about um you know, somebody finding our TikToks or or whatever. Um and so I think a lot of people that have chosen to share tend to be more content creators, and I hope maybe one day that'll change.

SPEAKER_09 36:09

Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, because I think you just have to be happy. Right. Do what makes you happy in life.

SPEAKER_04 36:15

Yeah, well, it well, that's the funny point because when you go to these, you guys go to parties and events and you you meet people, and you were telling me vaccine about some of the LA parties and stuff, people would be shocked, right? If they actually know they say something that's like 10% of America um is is has tried this, and it's like I think five percent of America is actively engaging in it. Um, and you know, we go to parties, we see lawyers, we see teachers, um, we've met a few priests at parties. Uh, you know, I imagine here in Hollywood you see celebrities and things like that. I think people would be shocked, right?

SPEAKER_09 36:46

Yeah, yeah. It's so much more common than you think. That's why I I stand so hard on don't care what other people think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 36:53

Everyone's doing it.

SPEAKER_09 36:55

Yeah. It's a hot new thing, guys. Get peer pressured. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

All right. So our episode or our um scene, your scene, is coming out um Valentine's Day week. Uh, and so we're super excited about that. So people need to go when they see this podcast. I think your scene will already be out, so they need to go check that out on Wi-Fi. But we have a few Valentine's focused questions for you guys. Uh, if you if you can handle them. So, uh, what does Valentine's Day look like for a hot wife couple? Or what do you think is the ideal Valentine's Day for a Hot Wife?

SPEAKER_09 37:28

I mean, we don't really know how to answer this because we don't really celebrate Valentine's Day down, but we'll go out to dinner. You know, and just say we don't usually buy gifts.

SPEAKER_07 37:38

Well, we'll go out to dinner.

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Yeah, it's hard to buy gifts for somebody that buys whatever she wants, whenever she wants it.

SPEAKER_09 37:45

I'm glad you know. I think the ideal situation would be maybe going out for a nice little cocktail. I don't like to eat dinner before doing the fun stuff. Um, but I think going out for like a nice cocktail and like organically meeting somebody, having a great conversation, and then so you like the organic.

SPEAKER_04 38:03

So you like going to the bar, super finding a guy that like doesn't know and just be like, yeah, you you send her like to go talk to him? Or she chooses it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

You want to, yeah. So you'll leave him over and then you'll go and like chat and see what you can do.

SPEAKER_09 38:18

It's only happened a couple of times, but every time it has, it's so hot. Oh, I think it ends up being amazing. That's kind of very hard.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

We've never done that.

SPEAKER_09 38:24

We haven't. That would be a funny thing. Yeah, we talked about it, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You like setting table together and you like walk, you see who's walking in, you're like, okay, I'm gonna go talk to that person.

SPEAKER_10 38:33

You know what it is? Everyone stares at her. So like she's like just picking.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

That's gonna be so hard to find somebody that wants to fuck you run. Um okay, I got another question. The the perfect Valentine's Day gift for a hot wife.

SPEAKER_09 38:48

Ooh. A big gift. Oh, I'm just kidding. Like, no, really. I got four for Valentine's Day. There you go.

SPEAKER_12 38:59

I don't know. What can I do?

SPEAKER_09 39:00

What's the perfect gift? What would you give me?

SPEAKER_12 39:02

Anal.

SPEAKER_09 39:05

How about like a trip to Kaba? Always go to anal. Always go to God.

SPEAKER_10 39:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_12 39:14

Yeah, trips are fun. Trips are fun.

SPEAKER_09 39:16

Yeah, trips are fun. I like going on trips too because it gets you away from your own space and you're like, ooh, nobody knows me here. We've been doing this a lot lately.

SPEAKER_07 39:26

We've been just like flying somewhere else and going. We know some friends that they are busy with their kids' lives and they have small children, they're playing sports, they're just they don't have time to hot wife for being nominalists. So they'll like pick a week every year and they go to like one of these resorts, and like for that week, that that's what they do. They just go and live it up, and then they go back, like pack their bags and go home, and it's just just normal life, just normal mom and dad back you know to live. And so people say we don't have time for this. You can if you if it's important, you can definitely make time. You can make time.

SPEAKER_10 39:58

I wish more people would do that.

SPEAKER_09 39:59

Yeah, yeah. It's just like taking a vacation, you just go take a take a sex cation. Yes, but that's I think a sex cation would be a great Valentine's Day gift. Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

That's what that would be awesome. Yeah, so um Valentine's Day miss. Last question Is it really just for couples? Is Valentine's Day only for couples? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_07 40:18

Well, not if he gets her a vacation where she goes to bucket, there's other people there.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

Yeah, so that single person is getting a nice. Single person is getting a very good yeah, so a sex cation, but with like a group of your friends. Yes, that sounds fun.

SPEAKER_07 40:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

We always say that, like, you know, we've gone to a lot of different places, and it's and people always ask us, like, oh what what's the best trip? What's the best club? What's the best place to go to? And for us, it's always been like, well, it's really not about the place, it is about the people. If you could have bring a good group of friends, you can go. I mean, we could have a blast right here if we brought 10 couples in here that we really liked, you know what I mean? So it really isn't about where you go so much as who you're with.

SPEAKER_09 40:57

I agree. Yeah, so no, I don't think it's just for couples. I think Valentine's Day could be for anyone. Go out to a bar on Valentine's Day. Maybe we'll get lucky. Yeah. And if you don't drink, um I don't know. Don't know what to tell you. Go outside. You could have a mock. Yeah, you could have a mocktail.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

I feel like that's getting more and more popular now. Definitely.

SPEAKER_09 41:21

It is, yeah. But that that sounds like a fun date to me.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

Well, we really appreciate you guys coming on the podcast and uh sharing your your your home with us. Our home, I guess we could say we could say now. But if people um enjoyed this conversation and they want to find more about you two, um, where do they go to find you?

SPEAKER_09 41:39

You can find both of us on more jessie.com, and that's m-o-o-r-e-j-e-s-s-i.com, and you can find all my pro scenes on vixinplus.com.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Yeah, and then make sure you go to wifey and check out Lacey's new Valentine's Day scene and the four um gifted men that she spent it. She spent uh yes yesterday with. I can't wait to watch this. Yeah, watch that with your wife. That would be a good way to spend Valentine's Day. I I'm I'm sure if you watch that scene, you're gonna have a good Valentine's Day night with uh your partner because it was pretty hot. Uh I got a very front row view of all that. And it was it was uh a good experience.

SPEAKER_07 42:18

Yeah, jealous.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

All right, well, I think that's it. Uh in a world full of apples.

SPEAKER_07 42:23

Be the pineapple.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

Be the pineapple, guys.

SPEAKER_07 42:25

Bye.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

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