Tuesday Talks: Cruise Together, Play Apart?

Tuesday Talks: Cruise Together, Play Apart? | Episode 117

A newer lifestyle couple is preparing to set sail on a Bliss Cruise with another couple they have played with before—but so far, their experiences have only involved parallel play. Since the other couple is comfortable with full swap, the listeners are wondering whether everyone has the same expectations for the trip or if their friends may be hoping for something more.

Dan and Lacy explain why this is a conversation that needs to happen before anyone boards the ship. They also discuss the reality that most people do not spend the time and money to attend a lifestyle cruise with plans to only play with one couple. From setting clear boundaries to avoiding assumptions and leaving room for new experiences, they share their advice for navigating expectations, communication, and play on a Bliss Cruise.

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 0:22

Welcome to the Swing Nation Podcast, a podcast by swingers for swingers, where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle. Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe. Interview the experts. Learn and grow together. Join the nation.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Tuesday talks. Just send your questions to Dan and Fix Day. Tuesday talks. Swing Nation got you feeling sexy. Tuesday talks.

SPEAKER_05 1:01

Talking Tuesday with Dan and Lacey. Ooh, how about that high note?

SPEAKER_02 1:07

That's perfect. Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy and Southern Girl. And we are back with another rendition of Tuesday Talks.

SPEAKER_05 1:20

Yes. Talking Tuesday with Lacey and Dan.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Dan and Lacey.

SPEAKER_05 1:27

Can we give y'all an update? Do y'all remember last week when y'all I told y'all that guy called like 10 times? And he even like called while we were doing Tuesday Talks the last time. So after we got done recording, he called again. And I never answer the phone, but I was like, fuck this. I'm answering the phone. So answer the phone. And the the gentleman was obviously older.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

And I was like, hey, you know, this is Lacey with the Swing Nation podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

It didn't seem to register to him who you were exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:54

I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

He wasn't like, oh my God, it's Lacey. He was just like, Oh, hi.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:59

So I was like, you know, is there something I can help you with? And he was like, I need somebody to fuck my wife.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

He said it bluntly and directly.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

I mean, and that was me. That's actually came across nice. Like he was just like, I need somebody to fuck my wife. It was like, it was deep, and and I was like, sir, this is a phone line for Tuesday talk questions. If you have a Tuesday talk question, I highly encourage you to hang up with me and call back and leave a voicemail or text us.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Um, but but this isn't a uh a hookup line or a hooker line for sure. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

So if you've been following an escort service, he's called a few more times.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:41

He hasn't left, like not like he was, but he definitely has called once or twice.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

I wonder if he has like he could have like Alzheimer's or something.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

I know he didn't seem to be uh all there. All there. Yeah, yeah. There seemed to be a disconnect. Yeah, like you didn't even understand really what Tuesday talks was. But I'm like, but you you listened to the podcast enough to write out the cards. Got that phone number. Yeah. Anyway, I thought it I thought y'all would appreciate the update from last time.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

Okay, so we have a question this week.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

This week's question. I already know what it is.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

It's a little bit long, but just bear with me. Love the show and advice you guys you get. The advice you guys give. My wife and I are what I would say on the friends of the lifestyle. Recently, on a trip to Temptations, we met a great couple and ended up having our first parallel play session, which we both enjoyed a great deal. They are a great couple and we really connected with them, but they are full lifestyle. We want to plan a trip to either desire or one of the other lifestyle cruises with them. Question knowing that we are at the moment parallel play and they may want more. What is the protocol? If they or us find someone else to play with, does going together mean we only play with each other? It seems maybe we are setting ourselves up for disappointment if they find another couple to meet there and they that another couple that meets their needs and end up spending most of the trip with them. Should we tell them ahead of time that we are looking forward to spending a lot of time with them? Thanks, you guys are awesome. Looking forward to your answer. Signed, inexperienced in Indiana.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

You're gonna break their little heart. I can tell already. No, but I mean it's you're about to crush their soul.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Well, this goes, I we do different, we do lifestyle differently than a lot of people. Like some people do truly go on a trip and they just want to fuck that couple that they go with the whole time. Right. We don't we don't play like that.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 4:38

That's just not our style. But that might be this couple's style.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

So if I were you, this is where communication, you know how every time we're like communication, communication, communication, yeah, this is where that comes into play.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah, but how do you say that without sounding crazy?

SPEAKER_05 4:55

That's what I was gonna say. If if uh if we had parallel played with a couple and then we were just like, hey, let's open a temptations or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

But desire, the cruise is there. It sounds like they're going on a desire cruise.

SPEAKER_05 5:04

They said desire or a lifestyle cruise.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

Um, if if we had parallel play with a couple and they came to us and said, Hey guys, we know we're getting ready to go on the bliss cruise with you, but uh, we just wanted to let you know, make sure we're on the same page here.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Um, we plan on just spending a lot of time with you guys, and we're not really looking to hook up with anybody else. And we just kind of want to make sure that you guys are on the same page that we're gonna spend a lot of time together. We may or may not actually ever full swap. Um, but you know, depending on how comfortable we're real excited. But we're real excited, and we just want to make sure you weren't gonna spend too much time with anybody else but us.

SPEAKER_05 5:40

We would be like, uh, Dan can't get off work. So unfortunately, we're gonna have to cancel. That's what would happen for us. Because the truth is we don't go on trips to fuck one couple, especially not even in this case, maybe not even fuck one couple. You know, like I guess it would be different if we had a couple that we had amazing chemistry with and we are like, you know, like a four-way connection was like insane. And then maybe, you know, maybe in that case.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

And that's what I hope in this scenario. I hope there's something else that we just didn't get the context on that leads that is leading this sweet couple because they wrote a really nice- No, no, no, but here it is.

SPEAKER_05 6:19

Here's what is they're new, babe. They're new. So this is what new couples do. If you've never fucked anybody, like when we go on a trip, we want to fuck as many people as possible.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Like, we don't want to fuck just one couple, as many people that we are attracted to and have chemistry with, or ideally, uh a couple a day, you know.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

I mean, like, ideally we're gonna meet this is horny testosterone, Lacey. But let's say, like, let's say we're there for a week, maybe two or three.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

How many times Lacey has actually told me we don't have to fuck people every day?

SPEAKER_05 6:48

Okay, let's say if they're there for a week, two or three couples.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Of course.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

There's never been a trip that I haven't, except for like once or twice. But for the most part, our goal in booking these trips is to make connections with other couples and fuck them. Yeah, or orgies or like if we want to just fuck one couple, we would get like an Airbnb and spend the weekend with just that couple, not spending $5,000 on a cruise. Lifestyle vacations are usually more money because they're gathering lifestyle individuals. Yeah. So why pay all of that money if you only want to go and possibly just parallel play? This couple probably wants to get it in. If they're full lifestyle, I guarantee you they're not gonna want to find spend the entire week chasing you around hoping that you'll fuck them. If that's what you're looking for, I think you get an Airbnb in the mountains, go to the beach, do something like that. Don't waste your money on a lifestyle trip.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Not a cruise, golly. Or desire, that's expensive.

SPEAKER_05 7:44

You could go on a vanilla cruise for like a fraction of the price and just fuck each other in the ring at the end of the night, you know, and save your money.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

But there's no reason to go on a lifestyle cruise.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

These cruises, you're 100% right. Like people bitch a lot about uh, you know, Bliss Cruise and some of these other lifestyle cruises being more expensive than a vanilla cruise, but what they don't realize is they're more expensive because Bliss Cruise has to go into a vanilla cruise and in like eight hours change it from a vanilla cruise to giant playrooms to orgy beds to you know, they got mail reviews, they're bringing in all these DJs, they improve the sound and lights on the whole ship. Like they probably drop millions of dollars in entertainment and in play spaces, they have to hire special staff to monitor all these play spaces.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

Those staff have to so basically okay, you're paying for all of that. So if if you're only there to hook up with one couple, there's no need to do all of that when you already know who you want to hook up with. And listen, we are not trying to be ugly to you. I think you seem precious. The truth is you're new. The truth is you are brand new and you're probably a little nervous about your full swap. And new couples, this is par for the course. This is what new couples do. They they get a little clingy at first, but then once you fucked a few people, you realize that there's no need for all of this. You know, you can, yeah, if you find a best friend or your favorite couple in the lifestyle, you that that's a different story. But usually in the beginning, new people, this is kind of what they do. And that's just because you're scared, you're new. Listen, we get it. We're not judging you, it is part of the process of kind of growing and learning in the lifestyle. So we're not being negative. But I I think this is a little far-fetched. I think I think you're gonna get your feelings hurt because the odds are if you really like this couple, you should want them to go and fuck people. You should want them to find hot couples to bring back so you can fuck them together. You know, you should go find hot couples and then, you know, like for instance, you hate like during the day, maybe you're hanging out with other people, but at night, let's say, hey, we're gonna meet at six, y'all bring a couple, we'll bring a couple, and we'll all have dinner together. And then, you know, then we'll dance that night. Like, that's what the lifestyle is supposed to kind of be about, you know? And listen, I'm not for for finding your favorite couple. I'm not, you know, like I think there's a place for that. If you just want to lock yourself in a hotel room for 48 hours and fuck the shit out of each other, I I'm all for that. But there's just no reason to spend the prices that it costs to go on these lifestyle vacations to then unless you just have tons of money to throw away, um, to just be with one couple.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Yeah, I I my gut reaction from hearing that letter, um, that whatever it was, email, uh was just what yours was. Is this a new couple that doesn't really understand how this works, and they're trying to couple this other couple up and they're about to get their heart broken. Um, and and if maybe we're missing some context, maybe there's other clues that have led you to think that maybe this is what this couple is into or that they want to do. At the very least, if that is your expectations, I think you do need to have a conversation with them. Um, my advice would be if you don't have much other context other than what you've told us, you might be walking, you might scare this couple.

SPEAKER_05 11:07

Well, but I would also rather scare them before you book and spend thousands of dollars because what's gonna happen is you're gonna go and they're gonna try to like hang out with you for the first day or two, and then they're gonna realize that you're not gonna give it up, or you know what I mean? Like they're gonna quickly realize, and then they're gonna start making connections elsewhere, and then you're gonna get your feelings hurt. But this time you're gonna be on vacation and you have spent thousands of dollars and now you're sad, you're on vacation. I would rather do that before than you know, have the conversation. We've had some pretty very hot vanilla swirl type situations, you know. But we're not gonna spend seven to ten thousand dollars on a cruise in the middle, you know, and then in in hopes that that couple wants to. Well, maybe that one couple, but they know who they are, but that's different, you know.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

But like maybe that one couple, they're not that vanilla.

SPEAKER_05 11:56

Um, there's there's a chance there.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

But for that would be a full swap if we got a whole week with them for sure.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Yeah, but most the time, most true lifestyle people are not not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Yeah. Well, the truth is I wouldn't, I don't want to do that for any couple. Yeah, even our best friends, yeah. Like that we love fucking like Daphne and Mike.

SPEAKER_05 12:15

We love fucking them and have so much fun, but like we also don't want to go on a cruise and then end up like I want them to like go make a connection with another couple and bring them back to their room or go to the like I want that for them, you know. We can fuck at home, even though we live a couple hours apart. Like, I could go to their house and fuck. Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

There's no need just about any weekend.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

There's no need to spend all of this money so then we can like fuck in a playroom, you know. Like now, if we all find fun couples and want to bring them out and have an orgy and all of us be a part of it, yeah, totally down.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

And not to say that one or two nights of the week we won't fuck them in a playroom because we definitely probably will.

SPEAKER_05 12:48

But we're not gonna go on a trip just to fucking now.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

I will say our play style is different, right? So we are a very much orgy, full swap, uh, multiple partners type couple.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

And that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

So maybe that's not them, and maybe that's not this friend they made. So we we don't know everything, but my gut reaction to the way she worded her question and the question or his question and the way he talked about it is if this is a full swap couple that has been in the lifestyle for a while, and you guys are talking about going to desire together or going on a cruise together, and you haven't had conversations like this in the past, they probably are not planning on spending that entire week with just you, and they probably are not planning on not hooking up with anybody else during that week.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

So if that is your expectation, you need to have that conversation. And I tiptoe your I don't know how to word that or say that, you're gonna risk maybe scaring them off in that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

But I would rather you scare them off before than on a lifestyle vacation where that you you put a lot of money and a lot of time into. I think it's better to just know what you're getting into prior to leaving or not.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

And I would agree if this you know, this couple that just parallel played and they're stepping into the lifestyle, if you're looking to connect with a couple and have like a full swap type scenario, going somewhere for a weekend in an Airbnb to me makes a lot more sense than going on.

SPEAKER_05 14:22

You're gonna get a lot more quality time. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

You get time to talk, you get time to chat, you know, more one-on-one time. To me, that makes more sense than going on a bliss cruise. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because that's gonna be uh 500 people in a room dancing with loud music. You know what I mean? Like it's just you're not gonna get that same type of time together.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

And honestly, for your first time, uh if you want my advice, I think doing something smaller is probably better. Like it just based off your email and what I can gather.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

They seem like they're slower moving, they need to one-on-one connection type of people.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Yeah, yeah. Because the truth is, like, there's a good chance that let's say you do fuck them, they're gonna try to fuck somebody else the next night. Is that gonna bother you? Is that gonna hurt your feelings? Because if it does, then maybe you shouldn't put yourself in that situation. Yeah, put yourself, especially not right out the gate. You may need a couple of swaps under your belt before you are ready for that. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Not to say your feelings aren't valid, not to say that you know, you can enter into this space and do it however you want to do, but you also got know that they can also do what they want to do.

SPEAKER_05 15:28

Yeah, and it seems like they're a little bit uh further in than you are, so odds are they're gonna make different moves than you.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Agreed. And I mean, the answer to everything is always communication. And in this case, I think you need to communicate that to them. Would you is there any advice on how to communicate that to them?

SPEAKER_05 15:45

I think no matter what you say, if you say what what you're feeling, you're gonna you're gonna scare them out away, if you want my honest opinion. But if you don't say what you're feeling, you're gonna end up getting your feelings hurt while on vacation.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

But how do you so how do you do they just write them a message like they did to us? Or do they say, hey, we gotta talk to you guys? Uh hey, before we book this, can we talk?

SPEAKER_05 16:09

Yeah, yeah. But I think that's a I if it was me, if I was them, I would have the conversation before you booking and say, listen, guys, we know that y'all are further ahead than we are, and we're a little slow, and we want to go into this know, you know, kind of knowing expectations and stuff. I don't, you know, want to lead you on, but I also don't want to hold you back either, you know. So, you know, what are we thinking? You know, would it be better? You know, we I got some advice for some from some friends, you know what I'm saying, Stanley C but you know, would would it be better if we, you know, maybe took like a day trip somewhere and see, or you know, like a maybe a weekend trip prior to like leaving the country to get, you know, maybe doing something a little bit lower key to see how that works. Um, but but and you can say, listen, because we're new, we know we're gonna be slow slow. You know, we know that you know it might take us a couple of days to get to a full swap and how we might not even get there. And if we don't get there, how do you feel? You know, I think you're probably gonna come across a little clingy, but as long as you're speaking from your heart and your truth, who gives a shit? Yeah, you know, and if it if it scares them off, rather you know now than later.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Right, especially if that's what you need.

SPEAKER_05 17:16

Yeah, yeah. And there's nothing wrong if that's you know, we we play very differently, like we're not poly. You know, you may be a couple that maybe leads more to the poly side than you may need a deeper emotional connection. You need a deeper emotional connection, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Your feelings are 100% valid. You're just gonna have to find your couples that also meet you there. Um and so it may or may not be this couple, yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

All right, well, I hope that helps answer your question. Don't be mad at us, don't be mad. We're just giving you the straight truth the way we see it. Um, and uh hope it helps you navigate that situation you're in. Uh, if you are in a similar situation, or if you have a question, or you know, maybe you heard this and you're like, oh damn, uh that's not what I was thinking. Maybe we need Dan and Lacey's advice.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

Um listen, and then we could be totally wrong. This is just two individuals. We are not trained, we are not licensed. Somebody gave us a microphone.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

We gave ourselves a microphone.

SPEAKER_05 18:18

We gave ourselves a microphone. So we just sit down and just say shit. This you could be like, they're full of fucking shit. And we're we're okay with that if that's how you feel. Uh we just give you our two cents. Sometimes we nail it, sometimes we don't. Um, but we're not perfect.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

We're just I don't think we're wrong this time, though. I don't think we're wrong. Um, but anyway, uh if you have a two talk Tuesday talk question, there's a few different ways you can get a hold of us.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

You can call or text, and that phone number is 972-302-7716.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

One more time.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

972-302-7716.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

I think Lacey told me she was short on dick pics, so make sure you send her some immediately.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

We could use some more questions.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

The more shriveled up your balls are. She likes the little ones, the big ones, uh piercings. Oh, yeah. I want to see the pierced. All the things. Uh, so send her that stuff. Is this I don't is this solicitation? I don't know. Uh I hope not. I don't think so. It seems like it's freely given. There's no, there's no, you know.

SPEAKER_05 19:14

We're not big, we're not making people send us to pictures.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

We definitely are. We get more pictures than we ask for, for sure. Yeah. Uh okay. Or you can call, or sorry, or you can email your questions to theswingnation at gmail.com, theswing nation at gmail. Still waiting on my first video call. Still waiting on my first video. Nobody has done it yet. We've had a few friends offer, but I didn't want to like I wanted the first one to be organic. You know what I mean? I didn't want to like set it up like and have our friends just do one. Uh, but we'll see what happens. One of these days it's gonna happen. Uh, but uh, we look forward to hearing from you. All right, anything else for the swing nation listeners? Best of luck on your future lifestyle trip. We wish you nothing but the best.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

I need an update. Yeah, can you email us when you figure it out?

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Yeah, tell us what happens. Yeah, please. All right.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

Should we do like next our next service? We'll do lifestyle interventions, like we'll help people.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Like, like a zoom call that are in crisis.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

Yeah, like we'll zoom call your friends, but listen, they're gonna cry if you fuck other people, okay? So what can we do?

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Right, yeah. Can we it'd be nice that we could record that for the app like pull them up on the big screen and that would be great. Listen, guys. Listen, Linda.

SPEAKER_05 20:24

You know, we we're laughing about this, but the truth is we've all fucking been there. Oh god, we've all fucking been there. All of our friends have gotten their feelings. Oh, it's so common. You are we are making light of it right now, but the truth is we've all fucking been there. So we've all got our feelings hurt. No judgment.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

All right. Uh anything else for the Swing Nation listeners, Lacey?

SPEAKER_05 20:43

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

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